free forum make a forum for free message boards free forum hosting free phpbb forum phpbb create free forum

Take the WKA rule book. Read the rules, something most don't do.

If the rule book specifies an inspection process I think it should be used, as stated, if at all.

If we as racers are expected to adhere to the written rules, then don't we have the right expect the insspecor to follow them too?

When I check my fuel with the meter I purchased, I mix a sample of the brew, as is stated to be run, and set the meter to that. When I check the cc's I use the same burette, and follow the process outlined in the manual. I use the same LAD gage to inspect port height, and intake port timing.

How do you all feel about being inspected by some process that differs from the manual?

_________________
Jean Stafford

"Never argue with an idiot. They will wear you down to thier level, then beat you with experience."
"Nothing is foolproof, for a sufficiently gifted fool."

Last edited by Jean Stafford on Fri Nov 25, 2011 4:05 pm; edited 1 time in total

I agree Jean, but do you have a specific instance, of an issue.

Pat

_________________
pat slattery

VOICE OF REASON

IF IT'S GOING TO BE, IT IS UP TO ME

ARROW KARTS
WOLTJER ENGINES
MYCHRON GAUGES
L & T CLUTCHES

Jean Stafford wrote:

Take the WKA rule book. Read the rules, something most don't do.

If the rule book specifies an inspection process I think it should be used, as stated, iff at all.

If we as racers are expected to adhere to the written rules, then don't we have the right expect the insspecor to follow them too?

When I check my fuel with the meter I purchased, I mix a sample of the brew, as is stated to be run, and set the meter to that. When I check the cc's I use the same burette, and follow the process outlined in the manual. I use the same LAD gage to inspect port height, and intake port timing.

How do you all feel about being inspected by some process that differs from the manual?

Here the problem, it all depends on who is invovled when the rules are being applied,
examples
when when to President stated that any parent who yells at a kid will punished and asked to leave for the day, a parent broke this rule and nothing happened . One involved works in the tower.
I was told a board member this past week-end used the f-word while throwing a fit because of incindend on the track. several times in hearing range of several kids, it was reported to board member and nothing was done.
Same member is one who applies the tech rules that you are asking about. Great example that person is setting. Remember last year and who was involed in many of the issues to that caused a uproar ? think about that one.

Now what about the finical position the club is in due to lack of entries. They are those who want to volunteer to get credits but are turned away so that certain members get paid instead. And when discussion is raised about reducing pay these same members will fight it to keep the pay high. It appears that they just want to continue to milk the club of monies to line their pockets. With 70 some entries the club will be broke if this does not change.
What about the promise of new restrooms ? Forget about that, those funds are going to be used to pay workers.
Credit needs to go several bod members who do not take pay, the membeship needs to take notice of them and maybe foolow their example or this club is doomed to failure. The leaders of this club were off to a ggod start, but they are starting to lose ground by not following through and sticking to there word. Creditibilty is key here in rebuilding.
Back to lurking .

_________________
Smelling burnt rubber & living on the edge

Original reply deleted by Heather Cradlebaugh.

Consider the source.

_________________
Heather Cradlebaugh

Last edited by Heather Cradlebaugh on Wed Sep 07, 2011 11:50 am; edited 1 time in total

Heather:

Feel Better???

Incident in point. Last Saturday, a young Junior driver was re-started after he/she left the track. Don't know who, nor do I care. Our "Red book" has statements as to who is allowed to be re-started, Kid Karts, Rookies, Sportsman and Cadet. A corner worker made a mistake re-starting this one kart. Now watch someone make a big deal about not being restarted, after they leave the course. "You did it for (Fill in the naame). Why not me?"

Once again, a mistake doesn't, nor should it, change the rules. That's the Board's job.

Our friend, "Bill Brown" probably has some ring of truth as to his perception of what has happened. But, his ring is out of tune.

I have incidents in mind I'll share with anyone about certain individuals, but not here. This ain't the place to degrade, or seemingly degrade, anyone.

As far as I'm concerned, Job well done Ted!! More black flags, we need them. IT's obvious that the parents aren't setting a good exasmple.

_________________
Jean Stafford

"Never argue with an idiot. They will wear you down to thier level, then beat you with experience."
"Nothing is foolproof, for a sufficiently gifted fool."

Last edited by Jean Stafford on Thu Sep 08, 2011 1:06 pm; edited 1 time in total

IMHO
I have seen this race season run very smoothly. Yea there are a few small little bumps, but for the most part it is just kart racing. I have had a number of members applaud Ted (including myself) on how he has directed this season. I was a bit apprehensive at first but Ted and Josh took control and did it in a way that everyone (new & old) respected and followed. It all is in the best interest of OVKA and we must understand that first and formost. So I want to give a big thank you to the tower staff, president/race director and entire raceday crew for everything and making this season a great one. The season and summer has went by mighty fast and with 4 races remaining, let's all enjoy it together. It will be cold and snowy before we know it.
THANKS

	D Stempfley wrote:
	...... It will be cold and snowy before we know it. THANKS

You mean Banquet time????

I see that his thread got over 200 "views" but very little response.

Come on. You must have an opinion.

I am not being dritical of anyone. Just seeing how many of you agree that testing for legality should be done "by the book". After all, that's what we use to make sure we are all legal. Isn't it? Example: If a "Class ""A" burette is to be used to check the head volume, and you use a class "B"or worse, you could be off by up to 5%. Five percent of 11cc's is +/- 0 .55cc's. If your builder does it righht, and the inspector uses something that could be off by sush an amount, you could be legal and thrown out.

See what I mean. This is an example and I'm not saying it's done, but it's an example of what I mean by following the book.

_________________
Jean Stafford

"Never argue with an idiot. They will wear you down to thier level, then beat you with experience."
"Nothing is foolproof, for a sufficiently gifted fool."

	Quote:
	It appears that they just want to continue to milk the club of monies to line their pockets.

I make more money fixing one computer than I make working 8 hours at the track, my pockets aren't getting lined with anything but dust.

Two years ago, the club was in an uproar about the quality and consistency of the corner workers due to the volunteer issue. Nobody wanted their name drawn and have to work. No one. They complained and moaned. "How about we raise the pay, that would encourage the same crew to work every race?" That was the proposal from the likes of Mike Brown and many others. The increased pay is not what has kept 90% of the crew the same the last two years. Try and figure that out, smart guy.

There are 4 races left in the season. We have many months to argue about how to fix everything before the 2012 season. So, slow down and take your time, folks.

Where did that reply come from Chad???

Those who get "Paid" for their efforts earn what they get, and then some. Stand in the hot sun for half a day and see if you're not ready to quit racing all together.

Now that said, what about those who have gone to school, and been tested to become "Certified". , have used club money to become so, and they sell their efforts at other venues. Right or Wrongf??

They also use their knowledge for the benefit of the club, and are paid far less than they receive at those "other Venues"

It ain't about money here. It's about whether or not a competitior is tested correctly or not. Using instruments that haqve a 5% error can indicate a competitor is out of spec, when he/she is not. There way too many nit-picking rules out there. Dimensions that are indicated to be within 0.001" are just plain wrong. First of all, most measuring devices have a full travel error, maning at full travel they can be off by up to 5%. An indicator that travels 1" could be off by as little as 0.001" or as much as 0.005", yet I've been theere when they have been DQ'd for 0.001". TSrue there has to be standards, but shouldn't there be commmon sense applied also?

_________________
Jean Stafford

"Never argue with an idiot. They will wear you down to thier level, then beat you with experience."
"Nothing is foolproof, for a sufficiently gifted fool."

	Heather Cradlebaugh wrote:
	Original reply deleted by Heather Cradlebaugh. Consider the source.

I am back sorry about the long delay in responding , but I can see you decided to remove your comments , I wish I had saved them so could answer them. But I do remember one thing, it really does not matter if you think I am real or not, but what I stated earlier is very true. Quite a few members do not want to speak up because they are worried about being bashed, past history proves this to be a fact and very recently at the track over some questionable race tactics . Now the reason for this update is to give members a heads up about a planned backdoor attempt to take control of this club. Keep in mind they did this before two elections ago, watch out for the blind side. I say this because this year things for the most part went better then last year due to the current President no-nonsense approach but several were very unhappy about it and are fumming over it. Hopefully the membership will re-elect him. As to anyone else running for office , they better make it known upfront they intend to do so. Look closely at the newer board member, look at his track record , he is playing very nice now , wonder why ? and the other one who was very upset at not getting there way.
One thing that surprised me was that Board member election has not come up during the season, It seemed that everything else that was major concern to the membership was brought up during the pre-race meeting so that everyone had a chance to speak up. If this brought up again , then it should be very clear that the people pushing this have a clear agenda and it does not involve what the entire membership wants. Remember at the last general membership the question was brought to put this before the members at the banquet , and that idea was immediately squelched. They did not want that to happen. Everyone should be thinking about when the loss of karters started happening, It started with less Peapicks and more qualifying then went down hill from there with the other change that have been put in place just to satisfy one group . This club got lucky that it did not get worse this year, But the efforts of Ted helped change that course . Take the time and do your own research , compare the meeting minutes with the entry count. It will become clear that this club needs to take a couple of steps back . It may be tough times but no excuse for what has happen. Look at who has their hand out for more pay and money . One plus one still equals 2.
Blast me all you want to, find reasons to discredit me, but the facts are right before you, spend the time discussing them.
To this day I still have not heard of any repercussions to those who cussed and yelled and pulled other antics. I guess it was a veiled thread if you was a insider. Why say this is if you are a well known trouble maker , a slap on the hand is all you will receive.
I most part ways again, time is very limited for me now adays, but i will stay in-touch.

Oh BTW Jean, please get a spillin charker.....Rotfl

_________________
Smelling burnt rubber & living on the edge

Mr. Brown?

Are you so scared that you can't reveal your real name? You have some good sugestions, but, no credibility from someone using an AKA.

Pat

_________________
pat slattery

VOICE OF REASON

IF IT'S GOING TO BE, IT IS UP TO ME

ARROW KARTS
WOLTJER ENGINES
MYCHRON GAUGES
L & T CLUTCHES

William Brown wrote:

	Heather Cradlebaugh wrote:
	Original reply deleted by Heather Cradlebaugh. Consider the source.

Oh BTW Jean, please get a spillin charker.....Rotfl

NO!!

Get a grammar checker. "I most.'''???? "..I guess it was a veiled thread if you was a insider.."

The terms should be must, and were. Laughing

Besides, my keeyboardd stutteerss.

_________________
Jean Stafford

"Never argue with an idiot. They will wear you down to thier level, then beat you with experience."
"Nothing is foolproof, for a sufficiently gifted fool."