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TWENTY-SIX CLASSES??????

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Jean Stafford

"Never argue with an idiot. They will wear you down to thier level, then beat you with experience."
"Nothing is foolproof, for a sufficiently gifted fool."

Suprise Jean, we had about the same as last year. Those are available if people show up, but don't count on it. I think there might even be one or two for you hidden in there.

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pat slattery

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Geez Pat,

When are you going to realize that it isn't about what's good for me, or you, it's about what's good for Karting in general?

Reducing the potential number of participants through tire rules, for example, only serves to keep others from coming to the track. It's right to only allow those who are on the "spec"
tire to accumulte points, but keeping those who drive tothe track with their club's tires on should NOT be told thay can't race. at all.

Should the club decide to use the same tires as New Castle, it will eliminate people who run other tires from coming, even if they aren't allowes to run for NO points.

We in the TaG group, call it whatevcer you will, have chosen tires based on price, longevity, and ability to grip the track. Most of those in this group have chosen a tire oother than B'Stone, based on those reasons. SOme have choses B'Styones because it allows then to race at two tracks, G&J and NEw Castle. Some of us already have tires for the 2012 season. Change the rule now and we'll be stuck holding tires we can't use...Again.

I just hope the powers that be understand that the rules they make affect not only the Racers, but the Kart Shops as well. Trust me, if all the shops go, all the racing will go as well.

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Jean Stafford

"Never argue with an idiot. They will wear you down to thier level, then beat you with experience."
"Nothing is foolproof, for a sufficiently gifted fool."

Jean, what makes the TAG class anymore important than any of the others. For a class with about 6 regular customers, they can and should be required to run the same tire that the spec tire Mfg deems that the class should run. They are not going to spec a tire that wont work for the class, but you wanting to run whatever you want is IMHO arrogant. What makes you or any other class that special that you must have an open, or special tire. What if the Sportsman, and the Jr's and Masters, all want there own special or open tire. Spec tires are for a reason, to level the playing field, and secondly to generate awards and or prizes for our members.

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pat slattery

VOICE OF REASON

IF IT'S GOING TO BE, IT IS UP TO ME

ARROW KARTS
WOLTJER ENGINES
MYCHRON GAUGES
L & T CLUTCHES

26 classes with 4 karts in each class -or- 10 classes with 10 karts in each class?
This is not litteral but you get the idea.

patrick slattery wrote:

Jean, what makes the TAG class anymore important than any of the others. For a class with about 6 regular customers, they can and should be required to run the same tire that the spec tire Mfg deems that the class should run. They are not going to spec a tire that wont work for the class, but you wanting to run whatever you want is IMHO arrogant. What makes you or any other class that special that you must have an open, or special tire. What if the Sportsman, and the Jr's and Masters, all want there own special or open tire. Spec tires are for a reason, to level the playing field, and secondly to generate awards and or prizes for our members.

Last year they did Pat. Mid Season the rules were changed to accomidate wwhat was called a tire shortage. Strangerly enough right after the change was intriduced, theere were tires available. Can you say "Contrived"

If tires are going to be changed then let there be a time period to make that adjustment so those who have tires left, can use them. OVCKA has allowed such time peeriord in the past, such as Bodywork changes, rear bumper cganges, and Komet clutch changes, two of them now. And strangely the debate over this clutch still rages in the ranks of the BoD. You call it arrogant. Yet the tires speced in the past had insufficient sidewall. Teh present 4.50 Bridgestones don't hold air. The TaG drivers having an open tire policy have come to a conclusion based on wear, cost, and availability. Something that the powers tht hold us hostage have not done long term studies. They refuse to listen to those who have used various tires, and listen to those who spout vagaries with unsubstantiated facts as truths told by those who do NOT race the class. Exception being Mr. Stemphley, the only person on the Board qualified to make suggestions and rules concerning the TaG Group, one of the class that seems to be growing. Let's not do something to destroy it. Strange that you feel so adamant about TaG when you don't have a dog in the hunt. Truth is, it's about the fact that they are able to do something you're not.

As far as importance, TaG is no less impprotant than any other class out there. That said, when Masters was 20-24 entries efforts were made to break it up into smaller groups. Same with Super-Can. We had a viable pipe class until TaG was approved. It then disappeared the next year. Today it seems there is a resurgance of the class so I guiess it's time to chnge the rules. Shifter classes drew spectators to the fenceline for every race they had, yet WKA, in it's wisdom, threw built for race European engines into the mix at $5000 a copy, and then dismanteled the class altogether when numbers fell off two years later. I wwonder why they fell off? Coouldn't be the cost of the motor could it? We followed suit, yet you and I both know there are a lot of them still out there. Where will they run? G&J on Wednesday for $10.00 a day I guess. No OVKA revenue there, is there?

Personally I don't care what tire you run at the Local Level, I just wish you'd all remember it is local level racing, not National level. There's a place for both, and the rules should differ.

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Jean Stafford

"Never argue with an idiot. They will wear you down to thier level, then beat you with experience."
"Nothing is foolproof, for a sufficiently gifted fool."

Jean mr stempfley runs the Bridgestone B compound.

What dog in the hunt do you have in the class Jean

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pat slattery

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	patrick slattery wrote:
	Jean mr stempfley runs the Bridgestone B compound. I know Pat. What dog in the hunt do you have in the class Jean? When he's avalibile, Joel has two Leopards, and one ROTAX.

Where's your dog?

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Jean Stafford

"Never argue with an idiot. They will wear you down to thier level, then beat you with experience."
"Nothing is foolproof, for a sufficiently gifted fool."

My dog is my customers. I believe Mr. Rumsey and Scott, are customers, Michael Fortner, Travis, from time to time, Doug Stempfley, I am sure I missed some one, but , I am at 90% of the races, and have been for the past 20 years, so I have concerns and a vested interest.

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pat slattery

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OK Pat, point taken, but I thought they can, and had, spoken for themselves.

Your taask is predominately with WKA as a Two-Cycle Representative. Focusing your effort there is admirable.

Just don't believe that WKA has the best rpogram for Local Raacing. Their rules for rngines have been pretty well thought out, after tall, they've had since 1975 to get the Yamaha right. They focus on equality of competition, but some rules are just not the best for local level racing. Case in Point. The noss of items from the Kart during a race. Their take, if taken to the letter, means that you can, and should disqualify any peerson who loses a cotter pin before post-tech. While that may be acceptable for the 300 or so individuals who comprise the 550 entries at WKA events, I don't think that this rules should be applied to local level racing.

And, before you say anything, I'm in faavor of the'hot stove approach' in the application of rules. Always have been. But in local level races where participants may have not worked on their engine, or could not afford to pay someone to do so, to DQ someone for .001 or ,002 of port timing due to piston rock, is just wrong. They should be told to get it repaired, perhaps a loss of points, and thene watched to make sure it's repaired, rather than get a "0" to carry all year. At National events? 0.0005" and they're out as far as I'm concerned. There's moreat stake there.

At this particular point, we need to cultivate as maany participants as possible, through what ever means available.

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Jean Stafford

"Never argue with an idiot. They will wear you down to thier level, then beat you with experience."
"Nothing is foolproof, for a sufficiently gifted fool."

Jean, honestly I always think of the club first, and WKA as a secondary issue. My family and customers race many more races at OVKA than any WKA event.

I do enjoy having a hand in WKA, as I feel they help guide all the smaller clubs and in particurally OVKA which is where I care the most about. That is why I

am very vocal about what goes on at OVKA.

Pat

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pat slattery

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IF IT'S GOING TO BE, IT IS UP TO ME

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At least we have the same goals.

Here's an idea Pat Think of all the club members first, and not the organization, or the loudest gripers.

Money keeps them racing, without it thet can't repair their equi[pment to race. Anythng that helps remove added expense helps the clubs members. Wouldn't be a very good club without the members, would it.

Tires are a good example. Members who may have purchased a load of Dunlop SL4 tires, are left out in the cold with ho place to resell them. Those who have TaG open tires would be in the same boat. I found it strange that immediately after the Champ Race, Dunlops were available. This was after the change to Bridgestones for Juniors, was pushed thru. I really can't beleive there was a shortage, other than a manufctured one.

Why force the racers to make costly changes each year, just because we can?

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Jean Stafford

"Never argue with an idiot. They will wear you down to thier level, then beat you with experience."
"Nothing is foolproof, for a sufficiently gifted fool."

There was definetely a shortage Jean. No one had them, but when they switched the Jr classes away from Dunlop, that helped to ease the problem. Several of the Jr Drivers had SL4's that they were able to sell or trade in for Bridgestone tire and I had a few along with others. I had 8 6:00 sl4 tires when they switched to Bridgestone's and I still have them. No one wanted them, and I was told by Ted the club would buy them back if need be if we couldn't sell them.

Now they seem to be hedgeing there stance on that which doesn't suprise me.

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pat slattery

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Pat,

Can you say "EBay"

Just kidding of course.

It is strange that one day after the Champ Race, "There be tires".

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Jean Stafford

"Never argue with an idiot. They will wear you down to thier level, then beat you with experience."
"Nothing is foolproof, for a sufficiently gifted fool."

I had at least one person tell me that the stock of tires they began to find were old and the tire compound was brittle, such that the tires were losing grip too soon.*

From what I was watching, the only loss of track grip I was seeing was due to environmental conditions. so, go figure.

*This was a direct statement from a driver, many months ago now, not my own experience.