Joined: 08 Jun 2011 Posts: 202 Location: Dayton, Ohio
Well, The sseason is over......
Well, the season is over for 2011. What are we going to complain about until 2012?
Pat, Let's argue. Pick a side!
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Well, no arguing with you now Jean, just would like to know where Ted would like me to drop of these 6:00 Dunlop SL4 at for a refund.
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Mon Oct 17, 2011 3:02 pm
Jean Stafford Gas Pumper
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Ask A.R. Maybe he knows. Back to Russell??
I still think the SL4 is a better tire for club raacing. There's no drop off ater the first race, like there is with the B'Stones.
The tiire is gripper, and softer, so there should be more wear, and it looks to me if that is the case.
All that said, maybe it's time for a change. I'd like to know soon, woulldn't you?
One of the big problems with the WKA rules, like our little band, is changing things every year. With us it was tires. With WKA it's been the Komet clutch, and a snoot full of other changes through their "Tech Update pages". At least they waited until the first of the 2012 season for the last change. Wonder what's next!
WKA, like our goupr started out with a mindset of what's right and proper for the Karter. Now, money has taken over, and it's," what can I/we get from the Karter. Why do you think Bridgestone tires are the choice for WKA? Likley because they got a big check, and/or product. Just "Business".
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Tue Oct 18, 2011 12:12 pm
patrick slattery Gas Pumper
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One would be a fool if money didn't come into the equation, but, why not get something for specing the tire. Spec tires are better than open tires, any day.
I think that the tire is fine. Did you see where I got the WKA to use only one set of tires per Sportsman class for the race weekend? That should save Sportsman Parents about 400.00 per race weekend.
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Tue Oct 18, 2011 2:00 pm
Jean Stafford Gas Pumper
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Nope, Missed that little tidbit.
I'll bet the front runners still stat the qualifire with new tires. In a five race season that's still five sets of tires.
Here''s something we can differ over! Scheduling our races against WKA's eventsa.
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Tue Oct 18, 2011 4:34 pm
patrick slattery Gas Pumper
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Jean, virtually all sportsman drivers, race 2 yamaha sportsman classes , Sat and Sunday, Same for the Cadet. Now they must race with a new set for qualifying on day one. and continue to used the same set for the 2nd day also. That is a big savings. If it works out for the sportsman class, we may see it in the Jr. classes also.
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Tue Oct 18, 2011 5:32 pm
Jean Stafford Gas Pumper
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Thanks for the enlightenment Pat. You're right. It is a big savings.
Good work. Bet it wasn'r easy.
How many other people run two classes? Was it you who told me." WKA draws 550 to an event. They must be doing something right." I eonder if that 550 is entries, and not participants.
Karting is an unusual sport, in that they draw no revenue fron promoters, at least at the local level. All of the expenses are borne by the participant. Yet in the past fifteen years I've noticed that most rules NS CHANGES do NOT take into account what impact it/they have on the Karter.
1. K-80 engine changes from the one piece to the to piece cylinderand and head. GP offered a low cost replacement offer.
2. Tires have gone from MG to Bridgestone.
3. Bodywork changes and rear bumper changes.
4. Axle length changes, form 50-55-1/8".
5. Height measurements regarding the height of noses, and side pods.
6. Komet/HPV clutch changes this year. Haddock is offering yet another low cost upgrade, at cost, for the old 6 hole drums. This is after the first upgrade to rid the pack of the Disk clutch. Complete package to replace the clutch, and cover for $200.
These are just the few trhat affect the two-stroke group. There are a large nomber of changes wach year on the web that affect he rest of them.
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Wed Oct 19, 2011 9:30 am
patrick slattery Gas Pumper
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4. Axle length changes, form 50-55-1/8
Come on Jean, that was at least 10 years ago.
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Wed Oct 19, 2011 11:15 am
Jean Stafford Gas Pumper
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Right Part BUT IT SHOWS A PATTERN OF DISREGARD OF THE kARTER. tHESE CHANGES WERE DRIVEN BY THE MANUFACTURERS. TAKE IT, OR LEAve it.
Darn cap lock.
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Thu Oct 20, 2011 9:21 am
patrick slattery Gas Pumper
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Jean before 50 inch max, it was 46 for 2 cycle and 44 for 4cycle . want to go back to that. At 50 inches max many karts had so much grip they were a foot or more off the ground in the turns, I have actually seen kart roll over. It is called progress.
I remember the nay sayers about the 50mm axle, it would spell doom to karting. There are many who have a phobia (fear) of change, and others embrace it. Jean you seem to have that phobia. Many at the club had a fear of changing tires last year, some for fear and some for fear of losing control to those that they fear. I think we would have done much better as a club had we made that change when the initial opportunity presented itself.
Just my .02 cents worth
Pat
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Thu Oct 20, 2011 7:33 pm
Jean Stafford Gas Pumper
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Before that it was 36 for single engine, and 38 for twin engine Karts. You're not old enoguh I guess.
By 1976, ths Europeans wrre starting to introduce their chassiss over here. Originally they were viewed as too soft, and didn't last a season before going "Limp" By the time Lake Speed and Lynn Haddock went to the World finals, they found out that the chassis was the important thing, not the engine. Kinda says something for engine builders, doesn't it. Since that time the Europeans have dictated what we are going to run over here, hell, even Margay adopted their standards after some delay. Trying to hold out, I guess..
Back then everyone had the SAME Kart. If you could drive yours to the front, you were a etter driver/mechanic that the other fellow. Today, with two Karts of the same brand, and tyoe, there are so many variables that it's impossible to have the same Kart as any other person. You need a Race Engineer to be competitive any more, as well as an engine builder, and statistician. I raced tfor 15 years before I had A tachometer, let alone heat guages, and GPS. Progress?? I'm not sure that I'd call it that. No Tire compounds, they were what was avaiable. Carlisle, and later Goodyear. Did the compound change? Probably, but until "Progress", in the form of the Contiential tire from Eurpoe, they were what they were. When European "Progress" hit the contenent the "Progress" takeover was enhanced. The Europeans regarded Karting as a stepping stone to F!, and there was almost as much money spent there, as F1. It was worth the many changes there, as they would buy anything for a tenth of a second. They are strill doing that today.
For my mney, Art Ingals, and Duff Livingston started Karting in the USA, and like so much other stuff, we gave it to the foreigners. We had a chance to hold onto it through the regulators of the sport, but they saw it as "Progress", and went along. Today the ones "holding the line" are t he Four-Stroke boys, and the Road Racers.
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